User accounts on Win 10 vs Win XP

I just want to share my frustration over what I found out when comparing how Windows XP and Windows 10 handle user accounts. Maybe you can show me that I'm wrong and I'm just stupid, but...

I've noticed how much easier it is to set up a non-admin or guest account that has no access to the folders and files of the admin account on WinXP than it is to do the same on Win10.

On Win10, every new account, by default, can access the admin's private files. If you wish to block the access of the users to these files, you must change the permission settings for individual folders. What I did was to block the whole D drive. Since it was my first time ever doing something like that, of course, I made a mistake. I accidentally locked myself out of everything that was on the D drive by restricting everyone, including the admin. I panicked but I was still able to use my web browser and found a solution for it. Eventually, I managed to set it right and now only I have access to my private files.

But that's not the end of problems. Messing with the permission settings has paved the way for many small issues. Sometimes when I try to install new programs, they refuse to be installed on the D drive because apparently they require some communication with the system drive. A lot of installation issues I had were fixed by adjusting the permission settings for specific folders. It's an additional headache for me to worry about and the price I'm paying for keeping my stuff private.

Now, if I was free from the cynicism of nostalgia-driven retro enthusiasm and had never known XP, I would assume that 20 years ago it must have been even harder to perform basic tasks like setting up user accounts and that now everything is the best that it can. After all, Microsoft is committed to delivering streamlined user experience and tirelessly improving their product so that we can all forget about the past and start looking forward... right? Well, I'd be ludicrously mistaken.

So how does XP compare with a modern operating system? The same process of setting up user accounts that I described above takes 90% less time and is completely hassle-free. It's as easy as changing your wallpaper. A new user will see and be able to use the applications installed by the admin, but all other files are inaccessible.

I get a feeling that these two operating systems were made by totally different companies.
 
After XP everything takes more work to do. Windows 11 is even worse. It's why I basically stopped being a computer tech. I got tired of Microsoft making my life miserable. And that is just accounts. Sharing files over a network can be annoying too sometimes.
 
And I forgot to mention...
Some years back I bought a very nice'n'cheap Dell laptop that had Win 10 installed. I replaced the OS pretty quick... couldn't stand it. Along the way however, I discovered that Billy-Boy included a hidden partition on the installation drive, which was only detectable with 3rd party software (Minitool Enterprise Edition). I deleted that partition and then assigned the UN-allocated space to expand the primary partition. Guess what re-appeared after the next boot?

As far as I'm concerned, everything after XP was bloatware at best, and probably spyware as well.
 
Dayron, you should keep in mind that anyone who boots into Linux (such as with a bootable USB stick on your computer) can ignore NTFS permissions and use the entire drive. Also, anyone signed in with an XP administrator account, either on your XP or a different computer, can 'Take Ownership' of the files regardless of permissions, and then change the permissions to whatever they like.

To block access to your files, you would need a program that uses a password to encrypt. There are many, with differing levels of convenience, plus there's always Winzip-Winrar-7zip that can simply create password encrypted archives. Don't forget to backup!
 
Some years back I bought a very nice'n'cheap Dell laptop that had Win 10 installed. I replaced the OS pretty quick... couldn't stand it. Along the way however, I discovered that Billy-Boy included a hidden partition on the installation drive, which was only detectable with 3rd party software (Minitool Enterprise Edition). I deleted that partition and then assigned the UN-allocated space to expand the primary partition. Guess what re-appeared after the next boot?

As far as I'm concerned, everything after XP was bloatware at best, and probably spyware as well.
That was probably the recovery partition. All brand name computers have them. They stared doing that once they stopped including recovery discs.
 
Dayron, you should keep in mind that anyone who boots into Linux (such as with a bootable USB stick on your computer) can ignore NTFS permissions and use the entire drive.
Fortunately, my concern is to block access only to casual guests who need to use my computer for a moment.

Keeping all my files behind such encryption and using them on a daily basis would probably be troublesome for me. But thanks for clarifying.
 
I hope they're real casual, no 5 year old genious' lol! Youth's ability to learn and absorb is absolutely uncanny. Keep them on Guest accounts :D and no birthdays-as-your-password!

I believe they're called full-disk encryption, programs like VeraCrypt and Bitlocker where you put in a password to mount a large file or entire partition, then you open and save to it like a normal hard drive while it does all the encryption/decryption in the background, until the time you click Unmount or shut down the computer. They are designed to be as easy as plugging in a USB flash drive, and unplugging it when you're done.
 
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That was probably the recovery partition. All brand name computers have them. They stared doing that once they stopped including recovery discs.
A hidden recovery partition re-creating itself after I destroyed it? Really?

Anyone with a Win 10 machine can check it out if they care to.
 
Were you were using Minitool on your C: drive? It would have to wait and apply the changes at boot time, so perhaps it didn't run successfully, maybe win10 interferring with Minitool's launch, or Minitool's version too old to inject into win10's boot? Maybe even Secure Boot had a hand in it.

A bootable CD/USB of GParted or BartPE or even DOS programs (I like the 64kb Ranish Partition Manager) would get the job done.
 
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From Windows 7 SP1 onward there are always additional partitions...
Interesting and true.... I never looked at this b4. I know on Win 10 I deleted the partition and it came back after reboot, but I have no reason to mess with the crappy little HP Notebook machine I have running Win 7. I guess instead of just putting boot files and pointers on the setup partition and the MBR, they decided everyone needs Bitlocker whether they want it or not?
 
Interesting and true.... I never looked at this b4. I know on Win 10 I deleted the partition and it came back after reboot, but I have no reason to mess with the crappy little HP Notebook machine I have running Win 7. I guess instead of just putting boot files and pointers on the setup partition and the MBR, they decided everyone needs Bitlocker whether they want it or not?
Technically you could delete and extend the main partition so you don't leave space for it to create new ones. But I haven't experimented with this. I don't know if it render the system unbootable if you do it.
 
From Windows 7 SP1 onward there are always additional partitions not just the main one. Even during the setup you can see it creates more than one partition.
I actually get great, giddy, laugh out loud joy from forcing win7 installations to only use one partition :) it does take a few hoop-jumping.
I like to multiboot, and that gets more difficult when you're limited to only 4 primary partitions and stupid windows wants to occupy more than one.

Everything I know about HDDguru came from this thread https://forum.level1techs.com/t/what-exactly-is-hddguru-hdd-llf-utility-doing/186923
 
I actually get great, giddy, laugh out loud joy from forcing win7 installations to only use one partition :) it does take a few hoop-jumping.
I like to multiboot, and that gets more difficult when you're limited to only 4 primary partitions and stupid windows wants to occupy more than one.

Everything I know about HDDguru came from this thread https://forum.level1techs.com/t/what-exactly-is-hddguru-hdd-llf-utility-doing/186923
Who knows ? Maybe that's why they do it. To make it harder to install other OS.

I wanted to add more about my experience with HDDGuru. I've used it a lot when I was a techie. I don't know if it's a true low level format or not. But it does something that a Windows format didn't do for me. Bad sectors. Some bad sectors are worse than others. Let's say you were downloading something from the internet and you get a power outtage. You could end up with a bad sector after that event. And you can see it if you run a check disk and then check the Smart Data of the HDD. Regular windows format doesn't fix this. But this tool does. And you can even see later the smart data resets to 0 again. These kind of bad sectors this tool can help with them.
 
I suspect by writing to every sector it's trigging the Current Pending Sectors to finish up and move to Reallocated Sectors Count.
Have you ever messed with SpinRite? How about HDDRegen? I've had good luck with that one, I like that it also identifies high-latency sectors. (I have both and am always willing to share!)
 
I suspect by writing to every sector it's trigging the Current Pending Sectors to finish up and move to Reallocated Sectors Count.
Have you ever messed with SpinRite? How about HDDRegen? I've had good luck with that one, I like that it also identifies high-latency sectors. (I have both and am always willing to share!)
No it's different. All resets to zero. Even Relocated sector count. Because in the specific situation I mentioned it's not like a hardware failure. It was just a power outage and you get just 1 bad sector. I have tried Spinrite and HDD Regen. They take hours or days when bad sectors are found. Very hard to use with how big HDDs are these days.
 
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