Suddenly, FireFox is Taking Over

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  1. cornemuse

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    Wouldn't the best bet be to poke Feodor about it?
     
    WhooeyKoishy, Dec 5, 2020
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    Back to FF taking over.
    (1st, I installed "Net traffic" on this comp. https://nettraffic.en.lo4d.com/windows)
    What I do now is wait till "NetTraffic =NT" shows no up or down - load activity, start FF, wait till NT shows no up or down - load activity, [in FF29 - 29 handles multiple tabs, 2 dozen +!], FF29 open bookmarks all in tabs, wait till NT shows no up or down - load activity, & away we go! FF52.9 esr, 1st page wait 15 - 20 seconds, & away we go!

    In these times I need humor to start my day, the ff29 30+ tabs all humor/cartoons/comics, I've posted some here occasionally. Thats it for ff29.

    FF52, after that initial wait the problems have ceased to exist.

    My actual procedure is, wake up, turn on comp, go put a pot of water to boil, prepare coffee machine, start FF29, (shortcut=F4!) wait for water to boil, pour in coffee machine, FF29 bookmark humor 'open all in tabs', wait 15-20 seconds, view individual tabs-delete, etc. After 5-6-7 minutes, go pour coffee. after last tab, close FF29, open FF52 [shortcut F3!], wait 15-20 seconds, away we go.

    Net traffic is a nifty little unobtrusive prog with many customizing settings.
    Another is Zoom Page WE which is an FF extension, worth getting
     
    cornemuse, Jan 15, 2021
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    He refused to tell me how to disable the onboard adblocker in Centaury via about:config. I asked twice that specific question, and twice he gave me the runaround with convoluted instructions about "profile" and "json", and such other crap. So I did a 'slash'n'burn safari through 'about:config', and if I did not end the adblocker, I at least tamed it. Needless to say, I now consider contacting the developer a deadend. I suspect he has adopted the Firefox/Mozilla attitude that he knows what's best for us, and a virulent embedded adblocker is far better for us than uBlock Origin that yields to our control....and we will thank him for it later!
     
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    I now only use Firefox 52.9.0 ESR to store bookmarks....for anything else it is pretty much useless. Got two or more windows/tabs open? Trying to watch Darkness Prevails story on Youtube (or even worse an actual movie)? Quickly surfing the internet, and jumping from one site to another? Prepare for the old reliable popup 'Firefox has encountered a problem and needs to close'.

    When a mere browser cannot be satisfied with Intel Core2 Quad Q9550 and 8GB RAM, you know something is way rotten on the Mozilla Mothership!
     
    trimis, Jan 17, 2021
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    I would not bother devs with this. We don't want Fedoor and others to go away because people are bothering them with personal computer problems.
     
    Lockherup, Jan 17, 2021
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    You two with the browser problems are looking for problems in the wrong place. Its obvious when I see things like 99% cpu that this isn't a browser problem. what happens when you download the same movie and try to watch it in VLC ? I bet it gives some similar error.
     
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    I have VLC, but never figured out how to work it. After getting 3 or 4 PUPs from majorgeeks or softpedia, I'm not a big fan of downloading anything. I do download photos from Bing and Yahoo to a flashdrive, but that is about where downloading begins and ends. I 'watch' Darkness Prevails' on Youtube; movies and TV shows on the various putlocker sites, 123moviesme, etc. I watch online. Guess that's called streaming. I would not trust any of those sources to download anything. When a service is free, you are either the product, or target.

    This has been a known (dare I say infamous) Firefox problem for some years:

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/663719/firefox-browser-severe-slowdown;-cpu-usage-100/
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1302921
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1270922
    https://github.com/hackademix/noscript/issues/111
    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1214933
    https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/622080/firefox-taking-200-cpu-usage


    As you can see, the standard hogwash delivered at firefox/mozilla forums is always to blame the addons, hardware, OS, etc., but absolutely never to take responsibility:

    https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-uses-too-much-memory-or-cpu-resources

    Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox with substantial divergence, yet where Firefox leads, Pale Moon is sure to follow sooner or later. So far as I know, Mypal is based on Pale Moon, so where Pale Moon leads, Mypal is sure to follow. It is wishful thinking to believe that as Firefox becomes progressively worse, this will have no ill effect on Pale Moon, and as Pale Moon then worsens, that will have no ill effect on Mypal....especially when the developer as much as admits this "Why again? It was always like this, and comes from the mozilla".
    https://github.com/Feodor2/Mypal/issues/154
     
    trimis, Jan 17, 2021
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    You are mostly wrong about everything and if you tried to solve the problems instead of blaming the devs you'd be better off. If these were browser problems they would be happening to everyone. I sit here with older slower hardware and have 0% cpu in firefox and do anything I want, you guys can't even check protonmail and you blame it on firefox.

    Downloading is the failsafe method. streaming is just more problems and more power. I'm not sure how you missed this basic fact since streaming came long after downloading. You're also wrong about what's happening when you download things, TCP IP and HTTP don't work that way, when you download a mp4 you get a mp4 only. there is no way to slip in extra bytes.

    You can't figure out VLC ? Yikes,,, you mean like click the icon which is all VLC requires, its a player not CAD .. there is nothing to figure out besides play and stop . If you did this you would at least know where your probelem is.

    Firefox is a crappy company but rendering pages is a pretty much foolproof and this is the one thing they are good at.

    With XP and the age yes we do have to point to hardware problems. Most people are running on 15 year old hardware so expect problems and expect them to show up where max power is used. With youtube you are using sound, video, networking so exepct this to be the place where the problem pops up but isn't always the source of the problem, you are never going to crash in notepad that ues 50k memory and no cpu.

    Why don't you download something, play it locally and report what happens.
    https://freeyoutubedownloader.online/
     
    Lockherup, Jan 17, 2021
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    As the links I previously provided shows, the problems with Firefox are not only happening to many, they are becoming progressively worse as Firefox 'improves'. I have since found links beginning in 2007, showing that Firefox has been a resource hog for quite sometime:

    http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?p=3049684
    https://smallbusiness.chron.com/mozilla-firefox-make-processor-usage-100-79775.html

    Downloading is the preferred method of malware creators for entry into your computer, if one is trusting enough to do so, and via 'driveby downloads' otherwise. That is not to say streaming is perfectly safe, just way safer than setting out the welcome mat. As for downloads being "failsafe", perhaps you should go on hackers websites, and inform them of this, as they seem to think otherwise:

    https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2017/04/free-movies-costly-malware
    https://www.komando.com/news/hackers-target-streaming-services-with-malware/737578/
    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/356086/can-mp3s-and-video-files-be-infected/
    https://www.opswat.com/blog/can-video-file-contain-virus

    Besides the increased threat of malware, there is also the question of DMCA legality. While both downloading and streaming are targeted by greedy Hollyweird (and their lawgiver lapdogs), downloading has higher priority and therefore higher risk.:

    https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-it-legal-to-download-youtube-videos/
    https://www.addictivetips.com/vpn/is-putlocker-legal-safe/
    https://vpnoverview.com/unblocking/streaming/putlocker/

    As said before, if any browser constantly freezes or crashes just by downloading photos to a flashdrive from Bing or Yahoo Images, it is beyond me how anyone would think an even more resource intensive operation like downloading a movie would fair any better. In any case, I only risk downloading software, and not even that anymore, since it seems ever more certain I must move to Win 7, so there is no need to add software to improve XP. Perhaps someone else can test your theory with VLC....and by the way, it requires way more than just clicking "the icon" (https://wiki.videolan.org/Documentation:VLC_for_dummies/). Frankly, I have put little effort into learning to use VLC, since I have yet to find even one movie or TV show I would want to save to my hard drive. Should that ever happen, my first choice would be to track down a DVD to buy instead. As a collector of over ten years, sourcing something on DVD is not that difficult, and much less irritating than fooling with VLC.
     
    trimis, Jan 17, 2021
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    I suggested you download a movie so you can determine if you have an application error, operating system error or hardware error. I didn't say go and crack a hollywood feature and break DMCA, you could have download a public domain video of a dancing baby. For some reason your don't want to solve the problem but rather drag in other irrelevant stuff about malware, copyright, feodor and pics eating up your resources. I think you failed to prove your case for anything but if wild guessing is working for you please continue doing what you're doing.

    Just don't scare others out of downloading because you don't know what you're doing, you are confused between downloading a file like mp4 vs downloading setup.exe from a wareze site. If malware was attached to a mp4 it would break the protocol and the entire internet would be infected already.
     
    Lockherup, Jan 18, 2021
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    This.
    I've witnessed firsthand devs quit projects on other forums out of frustration because of constant pestering from users. We pay them nothing for their work therefore we are entitled to nothing from them and should be grateful for anything they produce that we use.

    These legacy browsers use outdated javascript engines and will choke/cause high CPU usage on certain websites I.E., CNN, ESPN, WIRED the list goes on and on. There's nothing you can do about it except try selectively disabling scripts with NoScript. The same websites work fine on modern browsers/OSes. This is something you will have to learn to live with running legacy software and hardware. It will only get worse as time progresses and more websites designed for modern browser engines run countless scripts that will bring legacy browsers to their knees.

    That's what you also have to do in modern Firefox to disable telemetry, auto-updates, pocket etc. You open notepad and created a text file called POLICIES.JSON and save it to the Firefox
    install directory. Are these the convoluted instructions you are referring to?

    Roytam is the last man standing that is still updating browsers for XP. If you insist on using XP you will simply have to learn to live with its limitations.

    I'm curious as to what adblocker you are referring to in Centaury or MyPal. They have built-in pop-up blockers but no built-in ad-blockers.
     
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    I recently registered with 'Quora' & receive e-mails via gmail. Usually the last thing I do is check my email before shutting down the comp. I notice when I open Quora emails, FireFox goes to 99%. Only then. Only Quora. It opens in a separate tab. When I close this tab, everything is fine, back to normal. What gives? Any ideas?

    -c-
     
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    First guess would be Quora is sending you something as HTML or script. Second guess would be some add on or software hanging up with gmail. The way to check is quickly switch to text only email and open the Quora email, if the problem isn't there it means they're sending you something that fails your security or browser or add ons. If it is there in text only email then you have a problem that is more or less tied to software and further troubleshooting is required.
     
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    forgot to mention, I go through my email & save quora for last. It (when you click on anything) opens a new tab. I go back to gmail tab, delete 'whatever' and quora, then log out from gmail, return to quora tab.
     
    cornemuse, Jan 20, 2021
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    If it was a hardware issue as you desperately want to believe, it would of appeared long before now. Been using OptiPlex 960 for years, way before I even downloaded Centaury or Mypal. Both browsers worked once upon a time, and Mypal worked well...now they suck in one way or another. Spin doctor that as you will.

    I already posted links showing mp4 can be infected just as exe files, but no surprise, you either did not read it, or did not believe what you read. Wouldn't want to endanger that Ostrich Syndrome. I don't download stuff that I don't need to download. Period. I stream. I don't need to download to know that my hardware has not changed. I don't need to download to know that XP has not changed. I don't need to download to know that both browsers have changed multiple times, with ever worsening results. Same as with Firefox. I don't need to prove a case for anything, as the case will prove itself given time. Within the last few days Mypal stopped playing bitchute videos...
    another nail in it's coffin in my view, and another opportunity for you to offer excuses in support of it.
     
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    "That's what you also have to do in modern Firefox to disable telemetry, auto-updates, pocket etc."

    Nope, after doing a search&destroy mission through the 'about:config' in Centaury, the ever noxious embedded adblocker is now silent, and uBlock Origin has replaced it. I likely disabled a lot that did not need disabling in 'about:config', which could of been avoided if the developer had just answered the question asked. And yes, those are the "convoluted instructions".

    The adblocker in Mypal at least works, in that when it is triggered, the option to accept is not grayed out, and its yellow popup bar appears no more on that site. Yeah, I'll be speeding up my switch to Win 7 Pro. I had hoped to have it done by this month, but a $200 bill to replace my oven heating coil blew the budget for January. I'll be reworking my February budget to emphasize the computer tech housecall, above all else.
     
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    This statement doesn't make sense and you have no clue about anything and I'm not spin doctoring but trying to help someone who seems to know very little. Components have a suggested MTBF and when the time is reached it begins to fail, there is no before or after or a certain time. failures occur when the individual components had enough and when enough components are out of range, the part as a whole fails or at the very least errors happen. I'm not saying you have a 100% hardware problem but after so many failures and blaming everything and everyone you would think it's time look somewhere else.

    You're right I didn't follow your conspiracy links because it was irrelelvant. google and vlc would not have conspired to send you malware so explaining some theory that is not in practice and nobody told you to do in the first place is a silly waste of time. spin that one.
     
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    As of today neither Firefox, Mypal, nor Centaury will log in to the safeway site:
    https://www.safeway.com/shop/product-details.960561264.html
    for ordering, which all did a month or two ago. Spin that one. And it is your advice/help that is irrelevant.
     
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    you can't download a pic
    you can't get your groceries
    you can't watch videos
    you can't download anyhting
    all 3 browsers are DOA

    why do you turn to the forum to do nothing but complain and seek help and then when people tell you step #1 of the process of elimination to diagnose the problem, you say it's not that and continue guessing with even more nonsense. everyone from the devs to the end users are saying the same thing as me so we're all irrelevant. For some reason you don't realize its you vs the world and you're losing badly.
     
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    Are you talking the 'orange marmalade' Safeway? My FF went there directly, , , , , (FF52.9 portable)
     
    cornemuse, Jan 31, 2021
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