QUESTION…PAE Plus 3GB Switch.

Scouse Steve

Scouse Steve

QUESTION…PAE Plus 3GB Switch.

Has anyone on this site, or passing by; - Managed to get the Physical Address Extension working with the 3GB Switch?

Using anything from 8GB to 64GB

I have tried everything on the 3GB switch from 3072 down to 2360.

Typical Boot.ini below. I have tried scores of permutations, as have others who really know high end systems.

boot loader]

timeout=30

default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

[operating systems]

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /kernel=ntkl64g.exe /hal=hal64g.dll /fastdetect /PAE /noexecute=alwaysoff /fastdetect /3GB /Userva=2900 /sos

I am only interested if anyone has actually managed it, had the system load and usable without instantly falling off a cliff. If you are someone who has; Please post your exact Boot.ini and exact machine specs.

I have had enough of trawling through forums reading about folks who say they managed it, but haven’t got a copy of the Boot.ini, nor remember what machine they used.

I have to use a 32bit system for the following 32bit specific software. It will not run on a 64bit machine in 32bite mode. I am already using the old M2 for dedicated scratch drive trick.

MicroStation (Bentley Systems)
SolidWorks (El/Mec/Mil.) (Dassault Systèmes)
AutoCad / Inventor (Autodesk)
Mastercam CNC
Plus some other mainstream stuff.

I don’t have a spare £20,000 to get the windows 10/11 64bit versions, plus the £1000 a year subscription fees, that are now required. Nor the inclination to replace my lathes and CNC Drilling Machine. I am a hobbyist and Scale modeler, not British Aerospace.

I need to have the 3GB while running 4 open programs taking up close to the 2GB limit each. Machine falls over with large files tipping over the limit. However, every program runs perfectly with the 3GB Switch. That’s why I need both.

Motherboards tried so far (All Dual Socket) not just my own.

Asus P9X79 WS, X99, EVGA Classified SR-2, HP Z800, Tyan S5396 R01, Supermicro X5DAE, X6DAE, X6DA8, X7DAE, X8DAI

Only single socket board tried: Asus ROG Maximus II

I have tried a number of different machines and graphics cards. A couple of members of this forum have also tried on several of their machines listed above and also had a complete failure with 3GB and PAE. Although we have all heard legends of ancient heroes in the past who have managed this feat……… None of us can replicate it.
 
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Scouse Steve said:
QUESTION…PAE Plus 3GB Switch.

Has anyone on this site, or passing by; - Managed to get the Physical Address Extension working with the 3GB Switch?

Using anything from 8GB to 64GB

I have tried everything on the 3GB switch from 3072 down to 2360.

Typical Boot.ini below. I have tried scores of permutations, as have others who really know high end systems.

boot loader]

timeout=30

default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

[operating systems]

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /kernel=ntkl64g.exe /hal=hal64g.dll /fastdetect /PAE /noexecute=alwaysoff /fastdetect /3GB /Userva=2900 /sos

I am only interested if anyone has actually managed it, had the system load and usable without instantly falling off a cliff. If you are someone who has; Please post your exact Boot.ini and exact machine specs.

I have had enough of trawling through forums reading about folks who say they managed it, but haven’t got a copy of the Boot.ini, nor remember what machine they used.

I have to use a 32bit system for the following 32bit specific software. It will not run on a 64bit machine in 32bite mode. I am already using the old M2 for dedicated scratch drive trick.

MicroStation (Bentley Systems)
SolidWorks (El/Mec/Mil.) (Dassault Systèmes)
AutoCad / Inventor (Autodesk)
Mastercam CNC
Plus some other mainstream stuff.

I don’t have a spare £20,000 to get the windows 10/11 64bit versions, plus the £1000 a year subscription fees, that are now required. Nor the inclination to replace my lathes and CNC Drilling Machine. I am a hobbyist and Scale modeler, not British Aerospace.

I need to have the 3GB while running 4 open programs taking up close to the 2GB limit each. Machine falls over with large files tipping over the limit. However, every program runs perfectly with the 3GB Switch. That’s why I need both.

Motherboards tried so far (All Dual Socket) not just my own.

Asus P9X79 WS, X99, EVGA Classified SR-2, HP Z800, Tyan S5396 R01, Supermicro X5DAE, X6DAE, X6DA8, X7DAE, X8DAI

Only single socket board tried: Asus ROG Maximus II

I have tried a number of different machines and graphics cards. A couple of members of this forum have also tried on several of their machines listed above and also had a complete failure with 3GB and PAE. Although we have all heard legends of ancient heroes in the past who have managed this feat……… None of us can replicate it.
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I wish you luck Steve. Jen told me you have trawled the net trying to find an answer. Had a look myself today. Just garbage. Only sensible responses on any site are people who use the 3GB switch on workstations and Servers. One can actually see results with that. I must admit I have not seen a drastic improvement with PAE. And a vastly longer boot and start up time.

Jen is over now. Girlfriend younger than my daughters. Comedy gold.
 
Scouse Steve said:
QUESTION…PAE Plus 3GB Switch.

Has anyone on this site, or passing by; - Managed to get the Physical Address Extension working with the 3GB Switch?

Using anything from 8GB to 64GB

I have tried everything on the 3GB switch from 3072 down to 2360.

Typical Boot.ini below. I have tried scores of permutations, as have others who really know high end systems.

boot loader]

timeout=30

default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS

[operating systems]

multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /kernel=ntkl64g.exe /hal=hal64g.dll /fastdetect /PAE /noexecute=alwaysoff /fastdetect /3GB /Userva=2900 /sos

I am only interested if anyone has actually managed it, had the system load and usable without instantly falling off a cliff. If you are someone who has; Please post your exact Boot.ini and exact machine specs.

I have had enough of trawling through forums reading about folks who say they managed it, but haven’t got a copy of the Boot.ini, nor remember what machine they used.

I have to use a 32bit system for the following 32bit specific software. It will not run on a 64bit machine in 32bite mode. I am already using the old M2 for dedicated scratch drive trick.

MicroStation (Bentley Systems)
SolidWorks (El/Mec/Mil.) (Dassault Systèmes)
AutoCad / Inventor (Autodesk)
Mastercam CNC
Plus some other mainstream stuff.

I don’t have a spare £20,000 to get the windows 10/11 64bit versions, plus the £1000 a year subscription fees, that are now required. Nor the inclination to replace my lathes and CNC Drilling Machine. I am a hobbyist and Scale modeler, not British Aerospace.

I need to have the 3GB while running 4 open programs taking up close to the 2GB limit each. Machine falls over with large files tipping over the limit. However, every program runs perfectly with the 3GB Switch. That’s why I need both.

Motherboards tried so far (All Dual Socket) not just my own.

Asus P9X79 WS, X99, EVGA Classified SR-2, HP Z800, Tyan S5396 R01, Supermicro X5DAE, X6DAE, X6DA8, X7DAE, X8DAI

Only single socket board tried: Asus ROG Maximus II

I have tried a number of different machines and graphics cards. A couple of members of this forum have also tried on several of their machines listed above and also had a complete failure with 3GB and PAE. Although we have all heard legends of ancient heroes in the past who have managed this feat……… None of us can replicate it.
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Discussing your problem with Jen yesterday. Think we have a solution. You need and want the most result for the least effort.

Two possible solutions, as you are not using any software for commercial purposes.

  1. You pick up a thumb drive from me and also download all the latest student versions for windows 10. You will still need your XP machine, but you can just dump the DXF, DWG, 3DXML and PSD onto the XP machine for CNC. Obviously, you have about 2 weeks of learning the new versions of programs. For instance the difference between AutoCAD 2004 and 2019 is huge. I should imagine 2024 is like trying to learn completely new software.
OR
  1. You use a second identical machine, just clone everything over. Then use remote desk top from one machine to another. You won’t need a monitor on second machine. You use the remote machine for all rendering and calcs. So, you need the 3GB on that machine. On the machine you do your work and operate CNC from, you use PAE.
You just open the second machine up in a window. You can copy, cut and paste, just like you were using same machine. You will have a far faster set up that you know and love and get back to building models rather than doing a diploma in software use. Just think how fast renering will be, with no interrupt requests going on.

It will be like a Beowulf cluster. Obviously not, but you can call it an Everton F.C. Cluster..... So its Ebay Ahoy.
 
Madeleine Takam said:
Discussing your problem with Jen yesterday. Think we have a solution. You need and want the most result for the least effort.

Two possible solutions, as you are not using any software for commercial purposes.

  1. You pick up a thumb drive from me and also download all the latest student versions for windows 10. You will still need your XP machine, but you can just dump the DXF, DWG, 3DXML and PSD onto the XP machine for CNC. Obviously, you have about 2 weeks of learning the new versions of programs. For instance the difference between AutoCAD 2004 and 2019 is huge. I should imagine 2024 is like trying to learn completely new software.
OR
  1. You use a second identical machine, just clone everything over. Then use remote desk top from one machine to another. You won’t need a monitor on second machine. You use the remote machine for all rendering and calcs. So, you need the 3GB on that machine. On the machine you do your work and operate CNC from, you use PAE.
You just open the second machine up in a window. You can copy, cut and paste, just like you were using same machine. You will have a far faster set up that you know and love and get back to building models rather than doing a diploma in software use. Just think how fast renering will be, with no interrupt requests going on.

It will be like a Beowulf cluster. Obviously not, but you can call it an Everton F.C. Cluster..... So its Ebay Ahoy.
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Thanks Madeleine
I have already done a buy it now.
Think it is great idea.
 
Madeleine Takam said:
  1. You use a second identical machine, just clone everything over. Then use remote desk top from one machine to another. You won’t need a monitor on second machine. You use the remote machine for all rendering and calcs. So, you need the 3GB on that machine. On the machine you do your work and operate CNC from, you use PAE.
You just open the second machine up in a window. You can copy, cut and paste, just like you were using same machine. You will have a far faster set up that you know and love and get back to building models rather than doing a diploma in software use. Just think how fast renering will be, with no interrupt requests going on.

It will be like a Beowulf cluster. Obviously not, but you can call it an Everton F.C. Cluster..... So its Ebay Ahoy.
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I was just going to suggest this as well "With multiple memory-hungry programs, can you simply use additional computers?" If needed, a KVM switch, or RDP, etc...

Have you tried both Gamersky's (64gb) and Dibya's (128gb) PAE patches? Dibya includes a lot of patched secondary DLLs.
 
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