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Follow-ON: The details of exactly HOW the computer saves your info during hibernation are of interest. It seems like a small partition is often reserved specifcally for this purpose. But I can imagine that some manufacturers use static ram for this purpose? Such an arrangement would account for why someone reported swapping their laptop hard drive during hiberation?? --or did I read that wrong?? In such a case, I imagine that coming out of hibernation could be pretty fast, perhaps rivaling coming out of standby.
MY PROBLEM: I understand how mice, keyboards and LAN connections can be enabled/disabled to bring the computer out of either hiberation or standby mode. On my Vista laptop I found then enabling allowed my computer to behave better, overall. On my desktop, I don't really want to disable these things cause I need them (e.g., for printing stuff)? My problem (XP Home edition with an HP Pavillion) is that my machine wakes up on it's own for reasons that escape me. I really want to use it primarily as a print server, or intensively to run 32 bit apps that are not supported on my 64 bit machine. Will these secrets be revealed in the event viewer? I seek control over this beast!
One suspect is Windows update. If this is the only problem I could live with this--or change it's configuration? Other ideas or tools would be welcome.
Thanks,
Lyle, Durham, NC
a.k.a. Rickenbacker108
> On Sunday, March 25, 2007 3:24 PM Jerry and Carol Schull wrote:
> Can someone please explain the difference between stanby and hibernate?
> Does either take the place of shutting down the computer at night?
>
> Jerry in Vegas
>> On Sunday, March 25, 2007 3:35 PM Wesley Vogel wrote:
>> I do not use either one, I shutdown at night.
>>
>> From XP HELP:
>>
>> hibernation
>> A state in which your computer shuts down after saving everything in memory
>> on your hard disk. When you bring your computer out of hibernation, all
>> programs and documents that were open are restored to your desktop.
>>
>> standby
>> A state in which your computer consumes less power when it is idle, but
>> remains available for immediate use. While your computer is on standby,
>> information in computer memory is not saved on your hard disk. If there is
>> an interruption in power, the information in memory is lost.
>>
>> Standby is a state in which your monitor and hard disks turn off, so that
>> your computer uses less power. When you want to use the computer again, it
>> comes out of standby quickly, and your desktop is restored exactly as you
>> left it. Use standby to save power when you will be away from the computer
>> for a short time while working. Because Standby does not save your desktop
>> state to disk, a power failure while on Standby can cause you to lose
>> unsaved information.
>>
>> Hibernation is a state in which your computer shuts down to save power but
>> first saves everything in memory on your hard disk. When you restart the
>> computer, your desktop is restored exactly as you left it. Use hibernation
>> to save power when you will be away from the computer for an extended time
>> while working.
>>
>> Put the computer on standby when it is idle. While on standby, your entire
>> computer switches to a low-power state where devices, such as the monitor
>> and hard disks, turn off and your computer uses less power. When you want to
>> use the computer again, it comes out of standby quickly, and your desktop is
>> restored exactly as you left it. Standby is particularly useful for
>> conserving battery power in portable computers. Because Standby does not
>> save your desktop state to disk, a power failure while on Standby can cause
>> you to lose unsaved information.
>>
>> Put your computer in hibernation. The hibernate feature saves everything in
>> memory on disk, turns off your monitor and hard disk, and then turns off
>> your computer. When you restart your computer, your desktop is restored
>> exactly as you left it. It takes longer to bring your computer out of
>> hibernation than out of standby.
>>
>> --
>> Hope this helps. Let us know.
>>
>> Wes
>> MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
>>
>> In news:kUANh.131117$_(E-Mail Removed) hlink.net,
>> Jerry and Carol Schull <(E-Mail Removed)> hunted and pecked:
>>> On Monday, March 26, 2007 4:57 AM Mark M Morse wrote:
>>> I don't turn off my computers at night.* (Sometimes, _I_ don't shut
>>> down at night.) Windows XP does maintenance-type stuff and some
>>> chores at night, if I'm recharging.
>>>
>>> I happen to use both Standby and Hibernation modes, anyways. I've
>>> got two laptops, but desktop-PC users certainly benefit, too.
>>>
>>> For my short breaks, the laptops are set so that XP will switch off
>>> the monitor after 30 minutes user-inactivity**, but the hard drive
>>> remains un-parked. (Those settings are usually under Power Options
>>> in the Control Panel, when a PC's hardware supports them.)
>>>
>>> For my long-term breaks (eg: going out, hobbying, recovering from
>>> lost work, drinking), I close the lid, and that tells XP to go into
>>> Standby mode. My laptops will sit for several hours in Standby mode
>>> before their juice level gets low enough to trigger XP to switch to
>>> Hibernation mode).***
>>>
>>> I use Hibernation mode when I transport a laptop. (I don't like it
>>> swinging around while the power is on -- even if I have an
>>> expectation that the hard drive will remain parked.) My laptops can
>>> sit for days in Hibernation mode until the battery becomes too weak
>>> for boot up. (Warning: Don't try this at home!)
>>>
>>> I think that both modes are very useful simply by virtue of
>>> substantially shortening the interval that begins with pushing the
>>> power button and ends with the system running almost all of the
>>> applications and work that were in progress at the onset of
>>> hibernation.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> ~ Mark
>>>
>>> PS: I realize that the statistics in this post may vary from other
>>> users'; nobody needs to post their statistics for my benefit.
>>>
>>> ------------------------
>>> * My computers usually stay on continually <knocking on wood> as
>>> much as possible; they both eventually need to be turned off
>>> secondary to instability or user error or because I'm experiencing a
>>> premonition. Even in the absence of user error, I believe that
>>> Windows XP will eventually lose it beyond recovery. (I realize that
>>> unsolicited opinions may vary; nobody needs to post theirs for my
>>> benefit, but if you can't help yourself then please e-mail it to
>>> me.) One laptop's gone almost as far as 144 hours before
>>> functionality became too abnormal, while the other has never
>>> survived 72 hours.
>>>
>>> **One of my hobbies
>>>
>>> ***Due to the crappy nature of laptop batteries in general, my
>>> computers wouldn't last more than a few hours away from the juice in
>>> the absence of Standby and Hibernation modes.
>>>
>>>
>>> < end of my post >
>>>
>>>
>>> The following snip from a post in this thread by Wesley Vogel gives
>>> more definition.
>>>> On Monday, March 26, 2007 1:12 PM shakey wrote:
>>>> In a earlier post I was basically asking the same question and was treated
>>>> like a idiot because I am on a desktop. My original question remains
>>>> unanswered.
>>>> I shut down monitor and drives using power properties after a set number of
>>>> minutes but am curious if there is a deeper shutdown that I can implement
>>>> immediately (short of power off which if far from immediate). Standby locks
>>>> me up with screensaver displayed forcing power plug pulling.
>>>> SG
>>>>
>>>> "Jerry and Carol Schull" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>> news:kUANh.131117$_(E-Mail Removed) hlink.net...
>>>>> On Monday, March 26, 2007 8:35 PM Noncompliant wrote:
>>>>> Neither one turns the computer off.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note, in XP, you have to click start, turn off computer, to get to any of
>>>>> these...
>>>>> ONLY one selection within "turn off computer" actually turns off the
>>>>> computer.
>>>>> More MS prevarications.
>>>>> Prior MS 98/ME selections were straightforward and truthful.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Noncompliant
>>>>>
>>>>> Money don't wag the dog's tail.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Jerry and Carol Schull" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>> news:kUANh.131117$_(E-Mail Removed) hlink.net...
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 28, 2007 9:10 AM Mark M Morse wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Noncompliant:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, you can bypass the start menu. If the focus is on the
>>>>>> desktop, then hit [Alt]+[F4]. (If the desktop does not have the
>>>>>> focus, then click it first.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your point about MS prevarications still applies, however; no matter
>>>>>> how one gets there, the window title still says, "Turn off
>>>>>> computer".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~ Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: For the reader who wonders why they can't see a Hibernate icon
>>>>>> on the "Turn off computer" window, hold down one of the shift keys;
>>>>>> this causes the Standby icon to change to the Hibernate icon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Noncompliant" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>> On Friday, March 30, 2007 2:03 AM leew [MVP] wrote:
>>>>>>> Noncompliant wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I completely disagree. Hibernate, as has been mentioned, saves what is
>>>>>>> in RAM to the harddisk and then shuts off the computer. I have swapped
>>>>>>> laptop hard drives that were in a "hibernate" state and when swapping
>>>>>>> back I get the same point I was at. If you tell the computer to
>>>>>>> hibernate, it WILL turn the computer off. (I do this with my laptop all
>>>>>>> the time and rarely if ever have a problem - definitely haven't had a
>>>>>>> problem with hibernate for at least a year).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Lee
>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 30, 2007 7:50 AM Noncompliant wrote:
>>>>>>>> A PC or laptop is not off if in hibernate mode.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Standby and hibernate were initially developed for laptops to save power
>>>>>>>> when not in use and left on. Which is and was an excellent idea for
>>>>>>>> laptops.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An easy way to tell if a PC or laptop is initially actually off is to
>>>>>>>> visually account its display during turn-on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> An MVP would not make such a ludicrous statement.
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Noncompliant
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Money don't wag the dog's tail.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "leew [MVP]" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:nD2Ph.86$(E-Mail Removed)...
>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 30, 2007 9:01 AM Leythos wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 06:50:01 -0600, Noncompliant wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I close the LID on my laptop it is completely powered down, nothing
>>>>>>>>> running, nothing has any more power than if I used the power button and
>>>>>>>>> held it in for 10 seconds.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The difference between shutting down and suspend is that when the computer
>>>>>>>>> boots back up, if suspended, it will restore the memory image instead of
>>>>>>>>> booting from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can assure you that suspend (or hibernate, can't remember which one)
>>>>>>>>> actually shuts down the computer. The other one will put it in low power
>>>>>>>>> mode and it will appear to be asleep, but still has some power applied.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Leythos
>>>>>>>>> (E-Mail Removed) (remove 999 for proper email address)
>>>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 30, 2007 12:57 PM Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Noncompliant wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, you are completely wrong. Read, for example
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...hibernate.mspx
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> which states "Hibernate saves an image of your desktop with all open files
>>>>>>>>>> and documents, and then it powers down your computer."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
>>>>>>>>>> Please reply to the newsgroup
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